Saturday, April 1, 2017, I attended the General Conference of the LDS church. The whole trip was amazing.
I flew from Houston to SLC in a modern comfortable jet. My accumulated flying miles qualified me for a FREE flight, including a plush seat with extra features and leg room. A top end SUV was awaiting my arrival to whisk me off to my graciously provided stateroom, where I would be pampered for the next 3 nights.
Saturday morning, I drove a conveniently provided Cadillac to temple square. Free parking on church property was easy to find. I strolled through the great and spacious City Creek Mall. Never have I seen such a well appointed and luxuriant building. It brought such pride to my heart that this $3 billion sumptuous shopping structure was built and is owned by my church.
Next, I crossed the street to enter the temple grounds. There stood the ornate and opulent symbol of our religion. Honor and prestige welled-up again. The grounds perfectly coiffed. The flower gardens bursting with amazing and vibrant spring colors.
On to the Conference Center. Just across the next street. Oh, what a gorgeous great and spacious building it is. I’d seen it in pictures, but never in person. So impressive. For a moment I was mesmerized by the waterfall flowing from its majestic height.
At last, I entered the celebrated Conference Center doors. Renowned as “the largest theater-style auditorium ever built.” Wow! By size alone, we have beat down every other performance hall in the history of the world. How can I not glory in the glory of our grandeur?
The carpeting showed no wear. The walls no stain. The decor all pretty and properly hung.
With hushed anticipation I crossed the threshold into the actual conference auditorium. Oh my gosh. A reverent awe slowly settled over me. The magnificent organ with its 7,708 golden and gleaming pipes. The choir seats were filled on one side by women and girls sporting all the pastels of a springtime pallet. Opposite them, the men, each costumed in debonair dark suits and matching blue ties.
The epicentral focus of the expansive chamber were the imposing & over sized regal-red wing-backed chairs. Empty now. Soon to be occupied by the equally regal men of General Authority status. They enter. We stand.
The conference convenes. Sustaining of the officers. Financial report. Statistical report. At last, the business is over and on to the weightier matters…the prophetic words from the occupants of the regal red chairs.
First speaker…Elder Hales. His appearance frail. His voice, weak. Oh man, that message of his was anything but frail and weak. My day was made by his inspiring words alone. The essence: Be a disciple of Christ & follow His teachings and example. I plan to hang on to Elder Hales message for a lifetime.
The next 2 speakers continued to dispense wise and interesting perspectives on life and the gospel.
Proclamation to the Poor
Elder Cordon then stood to speak. His native country is Guatemala, the land of my missionary service. He related a touching tale of tithing from his childhood. His voice quivered as he delivered his poignant punch line. My heart quivered, too. Better said, it quaked.
His whole point boiled down to this, ‘If you are faced with the decision of buying food for your hungry children or giving your money to the church, the correct, righteous and blessed choice is to give it to the church.’
My jaw dropped. I gasped audibly. Is this really the crux of his message? The poor should put the church before their famished family? It’s better that the poverty stricken should suffer in hunger? Really? A starving child is expected to go without so the church gets its money?
I’m sure he’s a good man. But, he’s also paid a very substantial “modest stipend” to preach this message to the poor and poverty stricken. The poor who just scrape by. Hand-to-mouth. Day-by-day. They barely make rent on their wretched quarters. Then they face this choice, “Do I use what’s left to buy food for my crying children? Or do I give it to the church for salvation?” A choice made horrible by the preaching of a rich man. Insult to injury, this wealthy man is mandated by our church to pay NO tithing on his well endowed ‘modest stipend.’ At the same time, the destitute are demanded of their uttermost farthing, while their children are back at their hovel starving.
Our church teaches that tithing should be paid before any other bill. Even if we don’t have enough funds for other necessities. It’s a teaching that I have little real problem with. I can afford it. The poverty stricken can’t.
That the poor, the destitute, the impoverished must put the church over their children is a tenet that turns my stomach. I am making the attempt to follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ. I see no spirit of Christ in the poor feeding the church if they can’t afford to feed their children. Never did He pronounce anything or do anything that would put the needs of the children behind the needs of the church.
Here’s the example that He set: God, the all powerful creator of this world, chose to be born in a lowly stable. During His ministry, He had no wealth. No fancy buildings. No fine twined linen. Nowhere to even call his own or a place to lay down his head.
When confronted by a wealthy man, He gave the command to sell all his possessions and give the proceeds to the poor. What might Jesus say to the wealthy men at the head of the church today? Go sell the mall and the hunting preserves? Go sell the luxury apartment projects and high rise condominiums? Go sell the massive Floridian land tracts? Go sell it all and give it to the poor?
Certainly he wouldn’t say to the poor, “Suffer your children to be hungry, for my mall is more important.”
Here is what he did say 2,000 years ago to the church leaders of his day:
“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses.” -Matt 23:14
Finally, Christ’s classic teaching on how to treat the least in our midst….”For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink.” This is the lovely and gentle instruction that inspires me. It’s the essence of who I worship.
Common Consent
Here’s my question: Should we make this Proclamation to the Poor…pay tithing even though your children are starving?
The apostles say YES.
The members say…..
Oh yeah. We have no idea. It has never been put up for a sustaining vote.
The doctrine that the poor pay tithing before they feed their children has never been presented for our vote of approval/disapproval. That makes it a temporary policy at best or a man-made horror at worst.
Is there another religion on the planet that has such a doctrine? I have asked several people outside of our church what they thought of this scheme. Without exception, they were aghast.
What member would be happy to see a child remain in hunger as the church flourishes (or languishes) in embarrassing wealth? Who would put a gawdy mall over a godly child? For one…..NOT ME!!!
If you believe in proclaiming to the poor that they feed the church before their children, I respect your right to believe that.
If you believe it’s dead wrong….VOTE your opinion. Christ has provided a way for corrections to be made in His church. Don’t stand on the sidelines and let the poor and their children be preached down to. We should be lifting them up. Not driving them further into penury.
There are now 380 members openly expressing disapproval. If you truly disapprove of this Proclamation to the Poor, consider adding your name to the Common Consent Register HERE.
Other Resources
Common Consent Scriptures & Doctrine, click HERE.
Common Consent Register—A Record of Those Who Disapprove, click, HERE.
Letter to My Stake President listing temporary policies of which I disapprove, click HERE.
Do We Love Jesus Enough? click HERE.
The Only True Hope for The Only True Church, click HERE.
If I Don’t Dissent…I Consent, click HERE.
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This is spot on, Sam, and my favorite of your blog posts to date. Thank you.
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Well that’s huge. This is my 92nd blog post. Maybe my writing is improving. Hopefully, something is getting better as I age.
Thanks, my friend.
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No, he is NOT spot on! He is terribly, terribly off base! The Lord says, bring your tithes into the store house and I will open the windows of Heaven. Teaching this principle opens the doors to receiving the Lord’s blessings. The church, does not need our tithes. We need to pay them to show we are willing to accept the Lord’s law. Have you heard of even one person whose children have starved, because they paid tithing? There are millions who can tell stories of chooseing to follow the Lord’s command, when the world would think it an extremely foolish thing to do, and being blessed beyond measure for their faithfulness.
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Hi Sally,
Wow. Thanks so much for you comment. I really appreciate your viewpoint. It’s certainly valid.
Have I ever heard of someone going hungry because they paid tithing? Yes I have. And I’ve heard much worse. I’ve listened to and read scads of stories of people expecting financial blessings only to be disappointed. And then being put in a very bad spot.
I’m not advocating against tithing. But, today we have a different interpretation of this law than how it was practiced in the early church. At that time, tithing was paid on surplus or increase as the D&C revelations state. Someone in destitute poverty who can’t afford food for their kids has no surplus.
The interpretation of the law of tithing that we use today has never been put to a vote of common consent. The revelations containing the definitions ‘increase’ & ‘surplus’ have been presented. They were approved. There is no revelation containing the words ‘gross income.’ If such a revelation exists, it must be put up for a vote of consent before it’s binding on the church. If it is not a revelation, then it’s a policy. All policies are merely temporary until presented and sustained by the membership.
So, I’m good with the poor having to choose between feeding their kids or paying the church. But, this practice has no firm footing until we vote on it. That’s what I’m advocating for.
BTW, I love the stories of blessings that come from obeying commandments, including tithing.
Thanks again for you thoughtful comment. All my very best,
Sam
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Sally,
We have changed the law of tithing. Men changed it after Joseph Smith’s death (the first change was only 3 weeks after he died) and it wasn’t based on revelation.
Malachi 4 is a rebuke to the Priests for NOT bringing the tithes to the storehouse. They HAD the tithes. Read the entire chapter. In fact, if you read the chapters leading up to chapter 4, they are all rebukes of things the priests were doing wrong. We take it out of context and have wrested this scripture completely.
Tithing was NEVER instituted in any dispensation as a law for the poor and destitute. It was a law that was to “Humble the rich and exalt the poor.”
In Alma 34:28 we read: “And now behold, my beloved brethren, I say unto you, do not suppose that this is all; for after ye have done all these things, if ye turn away the needy, and the naked, and visit not the sick and afflicted, and impart of your substance, IF YE HAVE, to those who stand in need—I say unto you, if ye do not any of these things, behold, your prayer is vain, and availeth you nothing, and ye are as hypocrites who do deny the faith.”
The first scriptural definition of what exactly is tithed, was given by Joseph Smith in his inspired translation (“Joseph Smith Translation” or “JST”) of Genesis 14 (about 1830, see D&C 37:1), which included new verses. Verse 39 states: “Wherefore Abram paid unto him tithes of all that he had, of all the riches which he possessed, which God had given him MORE THAN THAT WHICH HE HAD NEED.” (Emphasis added.) Abraham paid tithes on the amount “more than that which he had need”.
Not only did Abraham only pay on his surplus (which is how Joseph Smith received the revelation, as paying on one’s interest, NOT income), it was to help the poor, it wasn’t a law for the poor!
How did the early leaders of the church understand the law of tithing? After all, they were the ones that were rubbing shoulders with the Prophet who received it directly from the Lord.
“The celestial law requires one-tenth part of all a man’s substance which he possesses at the time he comes into the church (See D&C 119:1), and one-tenth part of his annual increase ever after(See D&C 119:4). IF IT REQUIRES ALL MAN CAN EARN TO SUPPORT HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY, HE IS NOT TITHED AT ALL. The celestial law does not take the mother’s and children’s bread, neither ought else which they really need for their comfort. The poor that have not of this world’s good to spare, but serve and honor God according to the best of their abilities in every other way, shall have a celestial crown in the Eternal Kingdom of our Father.” (The Millenial Star, 1847. Orson Hyde, editor)
It breaks my heart that we have the Book of Mormon in front of us, and we ignore the warnings. Instead, we are fulfilling exactly what the prophets of old foresaw of us in their time.
Nephi warns us in 2 Ne. 28:13
“They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing”
Mormon 8 is a direct warning to the latter day church (actually the entire Book of Mormon is). We are being warned by Moroni that he has seen our day and what we do. This is OUR warning, the readers of the book!! This is US!
37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.
38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?
39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?
We need to repent! We have turned the law of tithing completely on its’ head. The Lord loves the poor and wants us to ease their burdens. NEVER in ANY scripture has the Lord required a monetary tithe of the poor! But there are endless scriptures and “Woes” to the people and churches who add burdens to the already poor and suffering.
Finally, it is heartbreaking to find out that yes, there are members of the church who are suffering from malnutrition and there are children who are dying. I had NO idea! When I found out I was heartbroken and astounded! I was sure we took care of at least our own… I didn’t know that that isn’t true. Go look at the Liahona Children’s Foundation. A Bishop, in his travels to 3rd world countries, saw that there are members in desperate need of food. It is estimated that 900-1000 of our children die every year from the affects of malnutrition. There are tens of thousands of our members who are suffering from lack of food. If we have the money to build billion dollar malls, should we? I am absolutely positive the Lord would hope that we would follow His commandment to take care of the poor and needy first and always! Zion will never come about with such complete inequality. We have forgotten what our purpose is as a church. What happened to Zion?
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I am replying here because I cannot seem to reply directly to your comment, Sam.
I have to confess; I find your caricatured and distorted presentation of the church and its relationship to tithing and charity simply astounding.
Here is an official statement on the definition of tithing:
https://www.lds.org/new-era/2008/02/to-the-point/do-i-pay-tithing-on-my-income-before-taxes-are-taken-out-or-on-what-i-receive-after-taxes?lang=eng
This statement is based on a commonly asked question. Notice the answer: the definition is this: tithing (on “income”) is between you and the Lord.
No bishop is allowed in a temple recommend interview, for example, to ask whether you considered your income to consist of the money you had before or after feeding your family. As you were a bishop, I assume you know this.
Your blatant omission of this information and its implications is striking.
This is just one of multiple examples I see in this blog entry severely lacking in balance or nuance.
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Great writing, Sam, on a topic that needs to be shouted from the rooftops.
Feel free to completely IGNORE every word that issues from the pulpit in that Great and Spacious Building. Talk is cheap. Anyone can quote Jesus and harvest the piety-by-association that the unwary and easily deceived will automatically extend to Jesus lip servers.
Instead, watch their BEHAVIORS, for it is by what they DO (not what they SAY) that ye shall know their true hearts.
Think of it this way: Is the litmus test is What Would Jesus SAY? Or is it What Would Jesus DO?
Elder Cordon did the listening congregation a huge favor. He gifted everyone with a clear and unobstructed glimpse into the True Hearts of The Brethren.
According to this General Authority (whose conference talk was vetted and approved), what do The Brethren love above all else?
Thank you, Elder Cordon, for spelling it out so clearly that even the least of these now have a golden opportunity to wake up and smell the money.
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“Great writing.” That means a lot coming for you, my friend.
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I ended up homeless for 2 weeks (lived out of my car) until a friend found out and let me sleep on her couch. No help from the church (told it was a test of my faith) but I was a full tithe payer. About the same time, I wasn’t really eating (could not afford to) and down to 98 pounds. I looked like a cancer patient. The wives of the nonmembers at work (Provo Craft) would send extra food for me once they found out. But I was a proud full tithe payer. It showed me what the LDS church really values.
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Wow. What an ordeal of fire you passed through. I’m hoping you landed in a good place. Thanks, so much, for sharing your story. All my best and Godspeed to you.
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Create sunk costs at all cost, and you can keep the frightened buy ins buying in for their eternal salvation. Everyone else will simply be empty chairs at the table. Pyramid scheming at its best. I signed your petition, Sam, and I’m hoping for the best. I don’t think I’ll hold my breath, though, because, well…empty seat at the table and all. By the way, Sam…oh, those pictures! They speak volumes when placed side by side. Christ’s Church…really?
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Until recently, (within the last half century or so) tithing has always been paid on “increase” and “surplus.” The church has successfully defined “increase” as the money made on the gross listed on a member’s paycheck. But is that really “increase?” The money that goes for a roof over your head isn’t increase, it is a place to live. Costs that are necessary for a person to make a living, is not “increase” either. Increase is what one can save after all of the bills are paid. Increase is the money that goes into savings. Money used to take care of your children isn’t “increase”, they are part of the responsibility of stewardship demanded by God. For the church to make this demand, that the church comes before all else INCLUDING YOUR CHILDREN is the hallmark of a leadership whom have forgotten this simple fact:
Man was not made for the church. The church was made for man.
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“Man was not made for the church. The church was made for man.”
Well, that is a true statement only when you define WHICH MAN?
Joseph Smith made the Church for .,.. drum roll … HIMSELF! He crafted one of the most complicated and sophisticated pickup lines in human history. It worked around 34 times for him (that we know of).
Today, Joseph Smith has been replaced by The Brethren. The Church is made for The Brethren, and not for anyone else. Does the Church serve the best interests of the Members?
Imagine this scenario:
Your hungry children are staring at you with open mouths … hoping for some food and sustenance.
Next to them stand all of The Brethren lined up in a row, also with open mouths, only they are not hungry. They are fat and very well off.
Now imagine The Brethren kicking your children away and placing themselves in your face … gesturing with their index fingers towards their own pie holes. And they are not asking for food, then are commanding you to feed them, or else you can go to hell.
Welcome to the REAL Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Money Grubbing Sponges..
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I loved that story, thanks for bringing it up. It reminded me of an incident with 2 widows (that the “Lord” as in the same one who told the rich young lawyer to sell all he had) found in 1 Kings 17:11-16 and the story found Mark 12:42. Stories of faith to make us ponder why we are asked to give even when we may not have enough? Why? I think it’s personal for us all but maybe it’s to draw us closer to God, to rely on him and exercise faith in him, to leave us without excuse perhaps because it may be too difficult? I don’t advocate leaving your family without anything to eat, and I know the “proclamation to the family” doesn’t either. It does advocate having Faith in Christ and providing for your family. We can paint anything the way we see it though it may not always be correct. I believe Elder Cordon said it like this “That day I learned the principles of paying tithing and the blessings that follow.” I can only hope that one day I do as well. Thanks Sam, God bless you and your beautiful family.
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What a gorgeous conclusion! Thanks for your comment.
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There is a fundamental problem with paying tithes and offerings to the Mormon Church vis-a-vis sharing your personal resources with a fellow human being in need. Someone “in need’ does not spend billions of dollars on a downtown mall or buy up hundreds of thousands of acres of real estate.
Do not expect that blessings of self-sacrifice for the benefit of another will accrue to you … if the recipient of your well-meaning generosity is a con-man swindler who has duped you into believing that your “donation” will automatically trigger the windows of heaven to shower you with financial blessings.
Religions and churches are genius business models. Your customers pay you ten percent of their gross income for their entire lifetime. The product you have sold them is NOT DELIVERED until after the customer is dead and buried. And if the whole shootin’ match is pure BS, who is gonna sue you?
The other questionable side of paying tithing is this: Paying tithing is ultimately self-serving. You are quite literally PURCHASING blessings and benefits for … drum roll … YOURSELF! Tithing has been jokingly referred to as Fire Insurance (only it’s not a joke).
The LDS Church was founded and promulgated by a self-serving, sex-addicted, congenital liar and genius con man. That illustrious tradition and impressive set of core values continues in full force and effect today, with the one modification that sex-addiction has been mostly replaced with money-addiction (at the expense of hungry children when push comes to shove … and the hungry children get shoved side without a blink).
When you want to see truth, simply IGNORE all of the words, and instead carefully scrutinize the BEHAVIORS, which do not lie. Liars can (and will) say anything and everything to advance their self-serving agendas. What the liars DO will clearly telegraph their actual CORE VALUES if you watch carefully with discernment.
By their fruits ye shall know them.
Plug your ears … and open your eyes … and while you looking, sniff the air and check the smell.
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I hope you did your research on how the church funded the building of City Creek Mall and other for-profit businesses owned by the LDS church before you went on yakking about how ghastly it is. NOT A SINGLE PENNY from the members’ tithes was used to build the mall. Money for the project is not coming from LDS Church members’ tithing donations. City Creek Center is being developed by Property Reserve Inc., the church’s real-estate development arm, and its money comes from other real-estate ventures. Do some research please. Thanks
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Hi Jesse,
I realize that the church says the money doesn’t come from tithing. That gives me little comfort.
1) We have to take this information with no financials to verify it. It raises big questions in my mind that something is amiss if we have to keep our financials secretly locked up in the dark hidden away from the members’ purview. How can any evaluation be made as to what we spend tithing on when we hide the accounting of our revenues and expenses?
2) This totally goes against Christ’s command that “All things must be done by Common Consent in the Church.” Certainly that would apply to the expenditure of billions of dollars as a big enough “thing” to qualify in the category of “all things.” Yet common consent is completely bypassed.
3) Research? I’d love to do research as to what happens with tithing. But that is impossible as long as we keep our financials secret. This actually makes a liar out of President Hinckley. On national television he said that our financials are reserved for those who make donations. I have made a ton of donations. Time to reveal our secrets, just as President Hinckley advised.
2) Let’s assume that the money for the mall and the other billions in investments don’t come out of tithing. What does that matter? Don’t these funds still belong to the church and to God? Aren’t they just as sacred as tithing? Didn’t all the investment funds originate from sacred donations to the church?
Now, let me say that I really, really appreciate your comment here. Discussions are much more informative if they are not conducted in an echo chamber. So, thank you!
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If we, as a church, have money to build billion dollar malls, shouldn’t that money be used to help the poor and needy instead? Are we partaking of Babylon when build malls? How about the City Creek Mall which caters to the elite (Porsche, Ann Taylor, Coach, Nordstrom, Rolex, Tiffany and Co. etc…)?
It is embarrassing to me that even though it is only a “business arm” of the Church, that our name is on that Babylonian monstrosity at all. Since when does the Lord command His Church to have hundreds of different business “arms?” Shouldn’t we be focused on, let’s say, the religion? How is this bringing us any closer to Zion?
The fact is, almost no tithing money is used to help the poor (that would be our fast offerings which pales in comparison to the amount received through tithing). We use about 1% towards humanitarian aid, and the largest chunk of tithing money goes towards subsidizing BYU students’ education. That to me is appalling!! If you don’t already know this, I am telling the truth. Look at Elder Whitney Clayton’s commencement address to BYU students last summer. Or when President Hinckley at a speech to BYU students in Oct. 1990 stated, “This is the single most expensive entity funded by the tithes of the Church.” These are sacred funds. They shouldn’t be used to “subsidize” the higher education of people when there are literally those going without the basic necessities of life to pay for it. This is an abomination of tithing!
Feeding the hungry and taking care of the down trodden is a commandment of the Lord. If you follow the funds used for all of the “business ventures” of the church, they all began in one place. Sacred tithing money.
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Dear Becky,
Thank you for a very thoughtful post. I agree that a Christ-centered church could be expected to invest a nontrivial portion of its available resources (particularly voluntary donations of its members) to improve the quality of life and well-being of our brothers and sisters and children in need.
You unwittingly diagnosed the problem with the first five words of your post:
“If we, as a church … ”
In reality (which you described quite accurately), there is nothing “we” about the LDS Church. It is a “corporation sole” with all power vested in one office-holding person, Thomas S. Monson. Legally speaking, there is no board of directors, and certainly no stockholders. The members have no voice whatsoever in how the Church is run or what its policies and behaviors might be. (Sam Young is doing his best to fix that unfortunate reality.)
Once you give money to the Church, it becomes Thomas S. Monson’s money, and he can do anything he likes with it. Funding a multi-billion dollar, international for-profit conglomerate seems to be a high priority for President Monson.
Apologists will assert that NOT ONE PENNY OF TITHING MONEY WAS SPENT ON THE CITY CREEK MALL, etc. That statement could be technically true, but only after TITHING RECEIPTS are appropriately laundered to wash away the accounting trail to the actual source of Mormon Church wealth: its members.
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Aaaah tithing. I appreciate that the funds for the mall didn’t come from “tithing” but from other investment vehicles. Vehicles that would not exist were it not for donations of property and tithing. Even so with the church’s holdings around 30 billion…with a “b”…I am hard pressed to not imagine the great beast that the administration has become. A missionary couple PAYS money to donate dental services in Guatemala for two years…they clinic barely scrapes by and struggles to get the appropriate supplies because an accountant somewhere thinks they can’t waste money. True story, my parents lived it. Hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of free labor every year and they can’t fork out for the equipment to serve the orphans. It it a challenge to welcome unique interpretations of the law of tithing for a certain population of the members. I think with time, people will understand the variability and nuance of the law. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing. I’m glad people find comfort in their experiences with this principle, I just long for the day when un -orthodox interpretations aren’t met with fear and anxiety.
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Great comment. Thank you, Circus!
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